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ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more)

I give up... no matter what drawing mode, I lose part or all of what I drew up to that point. It's totally useless to me and must erase by drawing white lines over the old one.
 
Rotating selected areas does not work either.
 
Mirroring also does not work, and the image appears at some random place elsewhere.
 
Even copy & paste is problematic.
 
Drawing a straight line also has issues, hard to tell if it's straight.
 
Have been using this software since Hypersnap DX 5 and it was always great, until now.
 
Using Windows 7 on an HP Folio.
 
 

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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/01/31 04:00:21 (permalink)
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    I don't understand your message. Please explain, step by step what do you click, press or otherwise do to reproduce the problem, maybe then I'll be able to help.
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/01 16:06:45 (permalink)
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    To start, I'll keep it very simple, one by one.
     
    1. I have a drawing from a house floorplan (bitmap).
    2. I draw a line in the livingroom.
    3. I select "Freehand Erase"
    4. The line I just drew, disappears.
     
    How can I delete a line I cannot see???
     
    5. Oh wait... I click "Drawing Mode Toggle", line re-appears.
    6. I select "Freehand Erase", line disappears.
     
    At that point, the erase feature is dysfunctional.
     
     
    PS: Wanted to upload two files (clicked "Attach Images"), but on the prompt shown here, there are no options to select (all white):
    Select from an option below: 
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/01 16:45:41 (permalink)
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    The lines and other shapes you draw are "floating objects" above the main bitmap. You may click then at any time  - the selection handles will appear around them, then you may move, resize or delete these objects. To delete, just press Delete key on the keyboard. All object that are currently selected will be deleted.
     
    Erase tool works only on the underlying image (bitmap). The shapes you draw are separate from that bitmap, until you "imprint" them. Think of the image like a tablecloth on a table, and the shapes drawn e.g. utensils, plates etc. You can move them and remove from the tablecloth anytime. The erase tool is like a sponge you would use to clean a spot on the tablecloth. Of course the sponge would not affect the utensils and plates, you'd rather remove them before using a sponge...
     
    There is an "Imprint" button on the Edit ribbon tab. that will actually make the selected shapes part of the bitmap.
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/01 19:04:22 (permalink)
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    I get it now.
     
    So I drew some lines over the bitmap, then erased them with the DEL key. The last 'selected' line was deleted.
     
    But I should "imprint" every item I draw...
     
    I drew 4 lines to make a square. Then came back to that square wanting to erase one of the 4 lines. DEL could not do that for me, so selected the Erase function. The entire square disappeared.
     
    Then I drew another line and 'Imprinted'. Only that line was imprinted, not the ones I drew before.
     
    Can this 'tablecloth' feature be disabled? Sorry, it's just too hard to work with.
     
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/02 00:57:02 (permalink)
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    Let me refer to the table cloth again. Put four knives on the cloth like a square. Click on any one of the four. It gets these handles and can be moved, deleted, copied and so on.
    Click on the cloth anywhere away from the "knives". The handles disappear but the knive is still there.
    Click on any other "knive". It get the handles.
    It is the same as marking text in a word processor. As soon as you mark some other text, the first marking disappears.
    If you have any experience with graphics in Word or PowerPoint you know about selecting several objects by pressing CTRL while clicking an object. You can select more than one, then move, delete, copy etc.
    I can only recommend taking a look at the manual. Every tool and effect is described.
    And I think I know what you mean by objects disappearing:
    If you draw an object (knive) and then click on the Drawing Mode Toggle the cloth will be turned over, like all knives are lying UNDER the cloth. You can now draw things like with a pen directly on the cloth. Those can NOT be clicked on. Unlike lifting a knive you cannot lift a line drawn with a pen. Click on the Toggle again and the knives are again above the cloth.
    A word to imprinting.
    As long as an object (knive) is floating, you can easily work with it or even delete it. As soon as you imprint it, you cannot change it any more. the "knive" is now like drawn with a pen on the cloth. IF you decide to erase it, the following happens: The eraser will remove the color beneath its square and will replace it with the background color (in most cases white). If your background color should be ... green, the erased part will appear green. And the eraser will never be as small as the lines you draw.
    You can undo (CTRL-Y or Z - Germans have Z on the Y-key) all these changes, but you cannot select an undo. You undo everything until you have the result you want. All erasing, imprinting but as well creating objects will be undone in the order they were done, only backwards.
    Don't give up on the drawing power of HyperSnap. If you take an hour experimenting, you will find it an excellent tool expecially for creating and moving objects on a bitmap.
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/02 04:50:07 (permalink)
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    Thank you, Thomas, excellent tutorial!
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/02 06:46:06 (permalink)
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    Hi Thomas,
     
    Thanks for your detailed explanation, it is clearer now. Earlier I did look at the Manual, but not having any clue about the concept, it didn't make much sense to me at the time.
     
    Will do more experimenting with that.
     
    For now, I wished that the toggle switch would default to the last setting used, but it always starts up in Shape Editing.
     
    On occasions some funny stuff happens but trying to replicate it consistently. Will get back in a day or so.
     
    Thanks,
    Toon
     
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/02 07:32:40 (permalink)
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    MAKING COPIES OF AN OBJECT:
     
    DIRECT DRAW MODE
    1. Select an area including an object
    2. Click Copy, then click Paste.
    3. Drag the area including object, but the original object is gone.
     
    On previous versions the original object remained in place and the pasted copy moves. Now unable to make copies of the same object, unless another area is selected first and the object is pasted. It does work in Shape Editing mode - but prefer to keep things simple.
     
     
     
     
     
     
    post edited by FarmerToon - 2020/02/02 13:31:28
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/02 14:43:36 (permalink)
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    Another issue:
     
    SHAPE EDITING MODE
    1. Select object
    2. Click Copy, then click Paste
    3. Drag the pasted copy
    4. Rotate object 90 degrees anti-clockwise
     
    On several occasions the object unexpectedly moved itself elsewhere on the screen. Having difficulty replicating it.
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/11 22:06:00 (permalink)
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    Always in Drawing Directly on Image mode...
     
    Write text on image
    Click Freehand Erase
    Text disappears
     
    Click T for text
    text earlier written re-appears
    Click Freehand Erase
    text disappears
     
    etc.
     
    Same result after reloading the program.
     
     
     
    Sorry, very hard to work with.
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 03:24:20 (permalink)
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    Same issue with line drawing. I click on the Freehand Erase button, and all the lines I just drew are gone. Right, nothing to erase.
     
    Click on either Line (or Text) icon, and it re-appears.
     
    MUST SAVE DRAWING EACH TIME AND CLOSE PROGRAM, THEN RE-OPEN.
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 04:06:24 (permalink)
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    All you write above regarding drawing objects like text, lines etc., is INTENDED behavior of HyperSnap. The objects are not part of the underlying image, you can select them with mouse click, move and resize, delete etc., separately from the image. If you want them to be part of the image, press Ctrl+A key to select all objects, then press the "Imprint" button on the "Edit" ribbon tab. The effect will be the same as if you saved the image e.g. in PNG format, and opened again the saved file. Otherwise, we have written above enough to explain these issues, so there is no point in repeating it...
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 04:14:59 (permalink)
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    I did write: Always in Drawing Directly on Image mode...
     
    But if that is the case also in Drawing Directly on Image mode, I will stop using this software.
     
    Too confusing. Sorry.
     
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 04:31:32 (permalink)
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    I see, while in Drawing Directly on Image mode, writing text changes the mode by itself to Shape Editing. 
     
    So must not forget to imprint with every change.
     
    After adding text and click outside the select box to remove the outer squares, the Imprint is no longer available. Selecting erase causes the text to disappear.
     
    After imprinting, selecting Erase the objects also disappear.
     
    Back to Hypersnap 5.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 04:48:22 (permalink)
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    No, using Imprint is not the best way to delete the text or line. Simply switch the cursor to "Select" mode (regular cursor on top or right click on image), then click again the text. It becomes selected again (squares outside). Then press the Delete button on the keyboard, or click X button (Clear) on top, and the entire text is deleted. Much simpler and faster than using an eraser after the text was imprinted.
     
    Or if you just want to edit that text, instead of completely deleting and re-doing, double-click the text and edit it. Or if you need to change the outside frame of the text, click it once and grab and drag one of the square handles.
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 08:57:48 (permalink)
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    Another surprise:
     
    Write text on image (remains selected)
    Rotate 90 degrees
    The whole image rotates (not just the selected area)
     
    I just want to draw my new house floorplan, not burdened with technical issues.
     
     
     
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 10:20:39 (permalink)
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    You may rotate text object or any other objects drawn over the image, to any angle you want. Switch cursor to selection mode (fastest way - right click over the image), then click the text object. It gets handles around it. Note small + mark at the center of the text. Move cursor over this + mark, it becomes a circular arrow, showing rotation mode. Press left mouse button and hold it, move the mouse in any direction, e.g. down. A dotted line is drawn from the center + mark to the mouse. Release mouse button then press it again, then move the mouse in another direction, e.g. right. Observe how the text objects rotate. Release it when it is at an angle you want. You can repeat this many times, you may also move the text around as you want.
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/12 10:37:15 (permalink)
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    I know well how to rotate an object, using various methods.
    With the method you described, the result is the same. Say, I rotated it (or not) then select mirror, the whole image mirrors, not just the selected area.
     
    To prevent this, need to imprint, then select again, then mirror. 
     
    From me, this version gets a big thumb down. I'm done with it.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: ERASE TOOL IN HS8 (and more) 2020/02/13 04:19:36 (permalink)
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    OK, thank you for your opinion.
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